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Religion stifles Moral Evolution
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution
(December 1, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If people only had sex while married, it would logically follow that less people would be getting conceived. Last I heard, 40% of children were being born to unwed mothers now a days. I'm not sure if that number is accurate or not, but even if that number was 10%, that's still millions of people. 


Agreed. That is why I specified that the sex act be mutually self giving.  


I would disagree on the first and second not going together. The most basic, fundamental reason why sex exists in the first place is for successfully continuing on the human race. The procreation part of it, in and of itself, makes the babies. The unitive part of it creates a bond that will help the couple stay together to keep the family intact, thus providing the ideal environment for the future generation to be raised in. It's no surprise that many criminals come from broken homes or homes with no father figure. Family is very important to the foundation of society, and both purposes of sex are geared towards it. We believe sex outside of this context is contrary to natural law because it is being used outside of its intended purpose.      


To be fair, I never claimed Jesus said anything about gay folks. If I did, it would kind of debunk my whole point that our thinking about morality isn't just "because God said so", as the OP claims.     

Well, to clarify, I never said they aren't religious reasons. If we believe in God, it logically follows that we believe moral standards were set by Him. So they are always going to be "religious reasons" in that sense. 

But what I was saying was that it is important that we understand why our religion teaches what it does about morality, and not just settle with "Because God/religion says so." It's important to understand why we think something is immoral, and how we came to that conclusion. And that's where Natural Law comes in. 

I think I have already explained why I believe sex outside the standards I presented is contrary to Natural Law. Hopefully my answers above helped to further clarify.

NO CL sex isn't solely about leading to offspring. It is ALSO a form of social bonding. And as others here have said rightfully, STDs are not about married vs single and happen in both. You can even pick up an STD from a public toilet or even your own if not properly cleaned. 

Religion, not just yours, but worldwide, distorts our natural behaviors and creates unrealistic stories about the right path. Reality isn't a fairy tale where Roy Rogers wins the gale and rides off into the sunset. The reason we have answers to the things humans once thought were magic, is because humans dared to investigate and test and reject social norms. 

Sex education, knowing how your body works, and teaching society consent is what matters, while teaching the risks, are what reduce STDs and unwanted pregnancies, not old mythology.

I would change "social bonding" to "marital bonding" and would say that the whole purpose of this bond happening in the first place is to help the couple stay together in case there is a child involved. That is literally why sex evolved the way it did.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 11:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by vorlon13 - December 1, 2017 at 1:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 3:25 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 3:58 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 6:51 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Ravenshire - December 1, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 2:14 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 1, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by henryp - December 1, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 3:31 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 4:29 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:16 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 9:31 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 4, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 4, 2017 at 11:14 am

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