(December 1, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Aroura Wrote: 1. And gay people evolved way they did for a natural, useful purpose also. It exists in nature, in human nature, and is natural. Studies even show quite a lot of purpose, and positive benefits to society.
2. Some people in your religion made an argument that you accept whole cloth, despite it not aligning with known scientific nature, and you are someone who accepts science generally, and yet this time you take your religions word for it.
It seems to me the very definition of "because my religion said so". The guys in charge may give reasons, but all religions give reasons for their rules. Your responses concerning other people, religious officials, coming up with reasons is, accidently on your part I think, a total srawman. That isnt what we are dis ussing, nor what theOP is asserting.
The question is whether adherants accept those reasons because they are part of their religion, or if they think them out independently.
3. Also, you keep saying we and us, saying gayness is against Natural Law, yet you personally don't deny their right to marry, correct? 4. So you disagree with what your religion teaches here, or not? I'm honestly a bit confused on your personal stznce, compared to the RCCs stance.
5. Last question at this time, do you differ from official RCC teachings on anything, or do you accept it all as unquestionably true? That which you are aware of, of course.
1. To be clear, my argument is about sexual morality, not the existence of gay folks.
2. I explained why/how I think sex outside the context of self giving, life long commitment between one man and one woman is contrary to Natural Law. Can you explain what it was that I said that you disagree with?
3. "Gayness" is not freely chosen, as people don't choose who they are attracted to. So it's not possible that being gay, in and of itself, would be against Natural Law.
4. I agree with what my faith teaches. And that is that in the eyes of God, marriage as a sacrament, cannot happen between 2 people of the same sex. Or people who have been previously married. Or people who are unconsenting, etc. All couples actually have to go through a whole process to see if the Church will accept marrying them. Whether or not we think they should have the same rights under the law though, is a personal matter.
5. For a time, I had a problem with the Church's teaching on contraception. I didn't understand it and it didn't make sense to me, so I thought the Church was wrong about it. Since then, I've come to better understand why and now I agree with it. Can't say there is anything else. All moral teachings make logical sense to me as of now.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh