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Religion stifles Moral Evolution
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution
(December 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm)SteveII Wrote: If a religion teaches something is wrong, then the adherents of that religion are by definition, not bigoted or hateful for adopting it. They could be, but not necessarily so. 

The OT is not a stricter form of morality--not at all. Read Matthew 5.

Give me an example how Christianity, based on the NT (and not some other agenda) has "eventually [caught] up on some of the issues". It's nice to assert these things in support of your conclusion, but they are hard to refute when they are so vague.

Nope, they are by definition bigoted and hateful.  You don't get to use your religion as a 'get out of bigotry free' card.  Not at all.

Let's see... places where Christianity eventually caught up.

Slavery for starters.  The NT nor the OT outlaws it.  In fact Christianity was often used to defend the institution of Slavery during the Civil War.  These days you'll find only a few Christians (and usually they're bigots themselves) who espouse that Slavery was good and moral.  Jesus never once said anything like "Release your slaves!"  

Divorce.  The Catholics still have problems with it (though much less than they used to) but other Christians... woo boy.  They're perfectly okay with divorce these days.  Which is why their champion right now is an orange faced buffoon who has been married 3 times.  

The view on women, though only recently, has changed too. 

Heck the fact that most Christians just up and ignore the OT (except when it fits their conveniently bigoted views).  I mean Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not abolish it.

(December 1, 2017 at 8:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: In other words, you want to define morality per your desires and are upset that Theists look for God to judge for us.

Nope.  I'm asking you how confident you'd be standing before a Humanist God in how you've treated others.  You look for God to judge you -- by your own standards.  Standards by which you agree.   If you can't say that you've treated others  well (and I do mean ALL others.) then I wouldn't really call you a good person by any measure. 

I mean theists are always telling us to 'repent' because of what we've done to God.  I'm just turning the tables.  A humanist god may judge YOU on how you've treated other people.  I mean one has just as much chance of existing as your god.   I'm asking how comfortable you'd be standing before such a god, saying "But my religious text said..." as an excuse for mistreating people.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by brewer - December 1, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:06 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:15 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:21 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:04 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:44 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 8:06 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 8:17 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by MysticKnight - December 1, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Astreja - December 2, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 4, 2017 at 2:35 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 4, 2017 at 11:14 am

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