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Religion stifles Moral Evolution
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution
(December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am)SteveII Wrote:
(December 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well, let me put it to you in the form of a hypothetical.  Let's suppose that all persons all over the world converted to Christianity.  In that circumstance are we to ignore the strictures of the old testament?  If so, are we to abandon the institution of law altogether?  If not, what are we supposed to use as the basis of our formulations about law?   Jesus said that loving thy God with your all, and loving thy neighbor as one loves themselves and that "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”  It seems rather strange that Jesus is here justifying the law if he is supposed to have abolished it.  Regardless, are we to simply punt on issues such as abortion, or are we to in some sense attempt to divine the appropriate legal guide from these two commandments, ignoring altogether what the old testament says?  In short, would the new testament replace law in this brave new world?  From where would our laws come?

I did not say Jesus came to abolish the law? Jesus' only instruction on how we should act was definitely not limited to his answer for what the greatest commandment was. In effect, he brought a stricter law because now it mattered what was on the inside. It did not contradict the moral law from the OT and it did not set it aside. That is why I say that morality for a Christian comes from the NT. 

So, OT law or no OT law?  You seem to be waffling on this.  At the very least, your position is unclear.  Perhaps this is because it is not clearly defined.

(December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am)SteveII Wrote: Murder is not wrong simply because it is listed as the sixth commandment. Woven through nearly all doctrine is the value that God places on human life. There is no logical , theological, nor scientific reason to not extend that concept to an unborn child.

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall
be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Exodus 21:22-25, KJV

If things are as you say, then why is the penalty for this not death?
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Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 12:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:13 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 9:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 8:23 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Neo-Scholastic - December 1, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 10:47 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:26 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 12:58 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 1:24 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Succubus - December 1, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 7:02 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by drfuzzy - December 1, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Aroura - December 1, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Whateverist - December 1, 2017 at 3:04 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Ravenshire - December 1, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Catholic_Lady - December 1, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 1:55 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Joods - December 1, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Brian37 - December 1, 2017 at 2:14 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 2:53 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 5:02 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 1, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Angrboda - December 2, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 2, 2017 at 7:35 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by LadyForCamus - December 1, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:16 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Cecelia - December 1, 2017 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:04 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:29 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by SteveII - December 1, 2017 at 7:44 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 8:06 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by Minimalist - December 1, 2017 at 9:31 pm
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RE: Religion stifles Moral Evolution - by The Grand Nudger - December 1, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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