RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
December 13, 2017 at 10:57 am
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2017 at 11:35 am by Transcended Dimensions.)
(December 13, 2017 at 8:49 am)bennyboy Wrote:(December 13, 2017 at 1:26 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: What makes you think that good and bad are not actual things and that they are just mere terms we use? According to my view, positive emotions are what I metaphorically describe as being the inner light. That is, they are the experience of pure goodness, joy, and beauty itself. So, from that perspective, positive emotions would have to be pure goodness, joy, and beauty itself.
"Good" is a word. It is used to talk about something. We use "good" to talk about those things which we consider pleasurable, productive, or otherwise beneficial to us. You are defining hedonic states as good. IF hedonic states are good, they are intrinsically good, but that's just by your definition. It really doesn't mean anything to say that.
I can also say if babies are good by definition, they are intrinsically good, or anal sex.
(December 13, 2017 at 8:53 am)Hammy Wrote: "Good" is a word. But the good is not
(December 13, 2017 at 8:49 am)bennyboy Wrote: IF hedonic states are good, they are intrinsically good, but that's just by your definition. It really doesn't mean anything to say that.
Isn't that the way words always work?
"If neurological states are real, they are real, but that's just by your definition. It doesn't really mean anything to say that neurology is real."
You could say that about anything lol.
We use words to label things in reality that are real. No one can or has to 'prove that their definition is the correct one'.
Even science can't do that.
(December 13, 2017 at 9:28 am)SaStrike Wrote: Oh great. This has been revived. Again.
Let's try to reach 100 pages of word salad.
If my whole entire worldview is word salad, then it's not because I am schizophrenic or psychotic. Word salad is a term which simply means blabber that makes no sense to anybody. People with schizophrenia talk word salad, but I do not have any of the symptoms of schizophrenia. But like I was saying, if my worldview really is word salad, then it would instead be because I have no understanding of life whatsoever. I fill in this lack of understanding with what I personally think is a true and rational understanding of life. Whether my worldview is a true understanding of life or not is something I do not know with 100% certainty. This means that I have only my own personal experience to go by and my own personal views. People are free to agree or disagree with them. But, for me, my own personal experience was something very profound, powerful, and compelling. Anything anybody tries to say to me to change my worldview and enlighten me to what they think is the truth won't work since it just makes no sense to me how a life independent of positive emotions can be any sort of good and beautiful way to live or be an artist.
From my perspective, positive emotions are everything to our human existence. They are the very source of all profound joys, good values, and beauty to our lives and artistic endeavors. I mean, I can understand intellectually why one would think that being there for his family during his worst moments of despair would be something good and beautiful, but I do not understand this in terms of personal experience. I, myself, have never experienced any real joy, good value, or beauty independent of my positive emotions and I have never experienced any real horror, tragedy, despair, bad value, etc. in my life independent of my negative emotions. With all of this being said, I wish to fully share and express my worldview anyway so that others know my personal values and how I think. Furthermore, if my worldview really is true and others become enlightened to this truth, then others would finally understand and sympathize with my personal experience and values rather than scoffing at them as being some sort of nonsense, rejecting them, and denying and dismissing my personal experience.