RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 6, 2018 at 7:49 am
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(January 5, 2018 at 7:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I wonder if a moderator can move this to the humor subform. Pretty sure Atlas is just pulling our chains. Good one, Atlas.
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(January 5, 2018 at 8:18 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(January 5, 2018 at 4:48 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The verse says:
Things "break" when they are "expanded"?
How did Mohammed know that heaven was expanding?
If we assumed ignorance and lying of the author of the Quran; why would they refer explicitly to such a fact?
Even a nomad Muslim in the desert 1400 years ago, would know that the skies (universe) is expanding. Not just that; actually saying otherwise defies the verse above.
The universe is expanding, by the direct statement of verse 47 of Sura 51 in the Quran, and the implicit referring by verse 5 of Sura 42
Long before Hubble's discovery. 1400 years approximately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law
The verse in Arabic:
والسماء بنيناها بأيد وإنا لموسعون
That's a phony translation, which makes the whole thing is phony because the word "manager" didn't exist until 1580 A.D. https://www.etymonline.com/word/manager
"وكيل" is an ancient word.
It means manager-responsible for
Replace "manager" with "responsible for".
In modern language it's a synonym, in ancient it is the same.
From there, the ancient phrase that most Arabs and Muslims use today:
"Besm Allah Tawakalto 3ala Allah"
"بسم الله توكلت على الله"
(January 5, 2018 at 8:25 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Could you elaborate Wyrd? I don't follow. Couldn't there have been a word that meant the same thing in Arabic?
وكيل=manager/Responsible for" is ancient.
(January 5, 2018 at 8:44 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:(January 5, 2018 at 4:48 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Snipped gibberish
Once again wrong. Your book shamelessly took the teaching of the first Sumerian Collander scrolls.
"This is from the great epic known as gemellimesh; Translated reads; 'The skies doth expand forever farther than we can ever reach. It doth expand from a point so small the eye cannot see, smaller than a single grain within a plank of wood. Search the skies my students with not just your eyes but your minds."
This was written somewhere between 2030 and 2056 BCE and it confirmes the following; Plank time, Expanding space, and the big bang.
Sorry your late to the party Atlas.
RAmen.
Nothing expands forever. Even in the modern theory; the expansion has a stop.
I believe that is when judgement day will come.
(January 5, 2018 at 9:00 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:(January 5, 2018 at 8:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I agree that religions borrow or steal motifs from prior religions, but no, it does not NOT "confirm" "Plank Time" or "expanding space" or the "Big Bang" anymore than the ancient Greek's use of the word "atom" confirmed quarks, or electrons or protons or neutrons.Sir I'll have you know Ancient Pastafarianeese is not squiggle; Like Latin, Esperanto and Donald Trumps tweets, It is a language very few can read and understand.
All that ancient squiggle confirms is people guessed and made those bad guesses on prior polytheism whom, those polytheist were as ignorant of modern science as monotheists.
POINT IS, that nobody, worldwide had any clue of what we know today.
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(January 5, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:the teaching of the first Sumerian Collander scrolls.
Wait. I thought the Collander Scrolls were written by the FSM?
Ha.................................................................Ha
(January 5, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(January 5, 2018 at 8:25 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Could you elaborate Wyrd? I don't follow. Couldn't there have been a word that meant the same thing in Arabic?
Some translations use the word "guardian" instead of "manager". They are not exactly synonyms. http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/guardian?s=t
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It might seem to be nitpicky but when newer words are used it tends to shift the meaning of the original thought. The word "manager" is from the 1580s. https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=manager. The word "guardian" is from around 1510 https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=guardian.
I can't read Arabic but if a version of the Koran uses a word that can be translated into either "guardian" or "manager" then that copy of the Koran was written in modern times. So that could mean that every idea in it has been altered from the original 640 A.D. version. We know that the Koran had a major alteration when it was put into numbered chapters and verses to mirror the Bible's format. So even if it's written in the Arabic language it doesn't mean that it is the original version.
It's like reading about Guardian Angels in some versions of the Bible. That idea is from the 1630s and replaces the idea of the cherub from the late 14th Century. https://www.etymonline.com/word/Cherub
It's very ancient.
Advocate, Disposer of affairs, manager. All mean the literal same thing.