(January 8, 2018 at 7:32 am)Grandizer Wrote:I posted the link originally that contain Nietzsche's line of thinking. The only opposing argument has been invalidated by the fact that such an apparatus could not exist with the precision necessary in order to avoid the inevitable consequence of eternal return. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re...g_argument(January 8, 2018 at 7:21 am)Agnosty Wrote: If something happens by chance in an infinite chain of causality, it must happen infinite times. Anything that happens by chance, cannot happen only once.
What's your logical argument in defense of that?
This is an interesting read, as well, which explains the logic involved: http://theorangeduck.com/page/infinity-doesnt-exist
Quote:Are you saying that even if I come back with the same dna and have all the same environmental influences in exactly the same way, that it's still possible that I won't be me? I suppose that answers the teleportation question whether Spock is still Spock after being reassembled lol.Quote:How do you reconcile this in your belief? Have we had this conversation infinite numbers of times previously and are destined to discuss it infinitely more? Not only that, but in every possible form also for an infinite number of times?
Well, even if we're positing a multiverse here, it can be argued that you are only you here in this local universe. You are not the other ones in the other universes that look exactly just like you and have gone through identical experiences as you up till now.
Well, to that I would have to wonder what it is, then, that exactly makes ME. If not my atomic makeup and environment, then what?
Quote:I agree that causality is an illusion; just didn't want to let the cat out of the bag yet. Kudos!Quote:If causality is not infinite, then it must have a beginning and therefore causeless, which doesn't make any sense. How do we escape the ridiculous?
Loaded question is loaded. Truths that are incredibly hard to believe because they defy intuition are not meant to be escaped, but rather accepted as truths regardless.
That said, under certain views such as eternalism, causality may just be an illusion. At the metaphysical level, no change is really happening. All connections that are perceived as causal are really connections in the same way movie frames are connected to one another in a movie roll or in the same way USA is connected to Canada.
So if causality doesn't exist, then where did the universe come from and what's our relationship to it?
