(January 8, 2018 at 8:16 am)Agnosty Wrote:(January 8, 2018 at 7:32 am)Grandizer Wrote: What's your logical argument in defense of that?I posted the link originally that contain Nietzsche's line of thinking. The only opposing argument has been invalidated by the fact that such an apparatus could not exist with the precision necessary in order to avoid the inevitable consequence of eternal return. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_re...g_argument
This is an interesting read, as well, which explains the logic involved: http://theorangeduck.com/page/infinity-doesnt-exist
My bad. I unintentionally took your quote out of context then. I'll check the links soon. Just want to respond to the next points first.
Quote:Are you saying that even if I come back with the same dna and have all the same environmental influences in exactly the same way, that it's still possible that I won't be me? I suppose that answers the teleportation question whether Spock is still Spock after being reassembled lol.
Who comes back again? You're already presuming it's you "coming back" instead of "someone else" coming into existence with the same DNA you had.
Quote:Well, to that I would have to wonder what it is, then, that exactly makes ME. If not my atomic makeup and environment, then what?
That's what got Tim Urban from Wait But Why site all confused. Search for Wait But Why and the article about the self. That was one of the best reads I've ever enjoyed on the concept.
Personally, I think the self is an illusion as well, at the end of the day. But this is fun to think about nevertheless.
Quote:I agree that causality is an illusion; just didn't want to let the cat out of the bag yet. Kudos!
So if causality doesn't exist, then where did the universe come from and what's our relationship to it?
What you're referring to "universe", I like to call "cosmos" to avoid equivocation with local universe.
In my current view (subject to change in light of better logic and/or confronting evidence), the cosmos has always been ("frozen" reality). And we are each (with our infinite time instances) part of various frozen "time moments" that comprise this frozen reality. We're not beyond the cosmos; we're confined to it.
