A question about original sin.

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Hey guys, a Christian friend of mine and I were discussing about the original sin recently. He said that we are not actually accountable for that apple eating sin of Adam and Eve. But somehow their act affected us and made us all sinners, so now everybody sins. Therefore no one can get into heaven in their current situation, even if they've done good deeds. Only by sacrificing his son for our sins, god can allow us get to heaven.(I'm not even bother trying to explain why this whole idea is idiotic ) My question is, if that's true, doesn't that make all the events before Jesus, --like the great flood kinda wiping out people events-- extremely unnecessary? I mean okay, we are sinners because we are affected by some Adam&Eve apple eating virus or something, and there is no cure for it, except for sacrificing Jesus. Then why the hell did you tried to prevent us to sin, or punished us when we sinned, anyway? So Christian forum mates, if you believe in this idea as my friend does, can you explain this to me? And, if you believe there is another explanation to original sin I'd like to hear it too.

Your Christian friend is pretty cool, really informed, let me add somethings to this. The original sin that was committed in the garden was disobedience. The Lord gave Adam & Eve all these great places to eat fruit and in the middle of the garden he planted two trees, the tree of Life and the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. If the Lord didn't give us the choice to listen to his command, "Do not eat of the tree of the Knowlege of Good and Evil or you will surely die." then we would basically be like robots, unable to choose whether we accept or reject God. You see the two trees represent God and Satan, just as in the end people will either side with God or with Satan. Adam & Eve could have chosen the tree of life and been eternal (choosing Jesus) or they could eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and become "like God", knowing both good and evil (choosing Satan). That was the original problem in the beginning when Lucifer turned to God and said, give me your knowledge, give me your power. Since Adam & Eve chose to drink from the cup of Satan (taking the fruit) they were stained with sin like he was, and they were the parents of all humanity, therefore humans were now capable of both good and evil. The only way for the Lord to give us a choice to come back to him, was to come down to Earth and live a perfect life, which Adam was unable to do. Jesus then became the sacrifice for us taking our burdens upon himself, basically he became our high priest, that's why people don't have to confess to an Earthly priest, they can confess their sins to Jesus, he atoned for all the evil we could ever committ and he was resurrected and stands in heaven even now, as our high priest! If we depended on a human priest we would be doomed because if he sinned he wouldn't be able to absolve us of sin because he wouldn't be righteous, but Jesus Christ lived and died righteous and innocent, so he can absolve us of all sin and make us holy like him. Amen!

Now, about the flood. The flood was important because God promised to redeem us in Genesis through the woman, which would be Mary (Gen 3:15). So the angels were coming down and having children with the women on earth, making them unclean. As you know the woman to have Jesus would have to be clean; a virgin. After a while when the Lord saw us humans we were infected by this new breed called Nephilites (or Nephilim) (Genesis 6:1-4) and they were seen as heroes because they were probably receiving forbidden information or knowledge from the very angels that created them. God could see that everyone's desires were evil, everyone was caught up in their ways, except for Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives. They could hear the Lord, they were listening. They were not caught up in the evil around them, none of them had mated with angels. The Lord instructed Noah to build an ark and he did it. During the time when Noah was building the ark people had the ability to assist him, to believe what he said about God, they had to ability to become right with God, but they thought he was ridiculous. And when the ark closed, with the animals inside and the rain began, they believed, but it was too late.

Concerning the Law, the Prophets and the Old Testament. Nothing in the old testament is unnecessary, it was all very important, the Lord is revealing his story to the world, allowing them to choose if they believe or don't believe. The Lord is telling you how it happened in the beginning and you can come to your own conclusions about the validity. In order to establish the Word as valid the Lord made prophecies so that we could recognize the Savior when he came, and it would confirm we were listening to the Lord, he also gave the Law to his chosen people, the Jews, to establish them as righteous by following his standards, then those around them (Gentiles) could come to know God by their righteous ways. As we know some of the Jews were not that great at being righteous, but neither are any of us, right? Also, the Law was given so that we could clearly see that we are flawed, we all fall short of the glory of God and we NEED a savior! The Law was in place so that people could be righteous before Jesus Christ was born, then the life of Jesus became the example of true righteousness. Now we don't have to live by the Law instead we live by our faith in the saving power of Jesus Christ, all of us Jew or Gentile alike. Amen and amen.

Any other questions? Let me know, I love talking about God.