RE: Street Epistemology - Practice
January 22, 2018 at 8:59 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2018 at 9:00 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(January 22, 2018 at 8:03 pm)curiosne Wrote:(January 22, 2018 at 7:46 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Ok... your first response just appears to be the definition of epistemology. Are you just going out and examining claims at random? I would agree, that epistemology should not just be a classroom exercise.The problem I see on why people don't think critically is due to how they are taught in school. Schools mainly try to get students to memorise facts without teaching the to properly assess facts and evidence in a critical way.
I think that this is good as well. How would you go about doing this in your "street epistemology"?
I think that many don't give enough thought to epistemology and many don't want to take the time for critical and rational thought. For instance on the topic of extra ordinary claims that you want to return to. I find that when I inquire most of the people who proclaim it, really haven't given it much thought to it's belief. I usually get the same example (not reasoning) of believing something like the "cat" or "dragon" discussion that went on here. And really that's it. How would you proceed in an instance such as this?
When I started trying to do street epistemology, I wasn't quite sure how to proceed with trying to improve people's rational thinking. It wasn't until the last few posts where polymath257 mentioned statistical evidence to determine what is ordinary and what is extraordinary that one piece of the puzzle came together.
I had the statistical evidence in the back of my mind when I was reply to your questions earlier in the thread but couldn't articulate it properly, however it is an appropriate term to use to gauge what is ordinary and what isn't.
Let me know your thoughts on this.
I don't know that I see the connection between improving peoples rational thinking and polymaths mention of Bayes Theorem. This seems like the answers to the two separate questions, and I'm not seeing the relationship. Are you saying, that you are just starting street epistemology, and where not sure how to proceed with the questions I asked, until polymath reminded you of statistics? I'm sorry, but I don't think that I am understanding what you mean here properly (or the connection).
As to using statistics, I would agree, that they are good for telling us whether something is common or rare. The patterns that I have noticed from past experience and searches however don't bode well for it's use in regards to the extraordinary claims mantra. However, we will see what the evidence and reason in this instance has to say. Do you think that PolyMath has to overcome my knowledge of previous patterns of occurrence , in order for the claim to be reasonable? Or is only necessary to demonstrate that it is reasonable rather than extra reasonable in order to be believed?
As well, now that you have been reminded of the Bayes Theorem and want to discuss it, I would be happy to entertain anything you would like to add as well.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther