Trolley Problem/Consistency in Ethics

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Our value, in that case, does not properly belong to us, but to god.  It is only by some similarity that we have it, and if we were not "made in his image"...whatever the hell that means..we would not have it.

Value is subjective but nevertheless we have this value that cannot be separated from us because of who assigned us the value. In addition, made in the image of God is full of meaning including free will, ability to reason, emotions, ability to have meaningful relationships, a sense of morality, a sense of justice, a sense of aesthetics, a sense of self-sacrifice, a desire for meaning/purpose, etc. 

Meanwhile, your notion that whatever value we have would not be intrinsic in a naturalists worldview is absurd.  It may not be god value, a value that depends upon and apes whatever god is or whatever value god places in us....but so what?  

I do think that we have intrinsic value, and because it's intrinsic -to human beings-..it has fuck all to do with gods even if there were gods...which there aren't.

Then tell me, at what exact point in evolutionary history did we move from the law of survival of the fittest to that of having intrinsic value that supersede the process that got us to that point and HOW exactly did that work? It sure seems that by definition, you cannot evolve intrinsic value.

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It's a human trait. Humans brought their traits along when they invented and maintained a religion (christianity for example).

A religion is not some external factor. It is part of the human worldview. How can you claim it as separate lol. Humans didn't base their ethics on a religion, the religion was based around human ethics (partly at least, majority of Christian history is quite disturbing). But I'm referring to the parts that the mindless masses are to obey.

Your opinion is irrelevant to my point--which was that a Christian ethical framework deals with these questions differently due to a significant difference in the view on the value of human life (and why). You can't have a discussion and learn something about the other side if all you want to do is tell the other person they are wrong,

Completely missing the point. In your previous post you claimed that "western human ethics are based on/influenced by christian values, which is why humans have intrinsic value"

This is your opinion, with no evidence and is contradictory. Firstly, eastern (basically all over the world actually) humans have intrinsic value there too (christian influence not included). Human traditions and ethics have been passed down and written into christianity (not the other way round) is all I'm saying.

What I'm asking is for an explanation or proof of your claims. Explanation for why 1) Human morality far out-dates christianity. 2) christianity has CHANGED ethics wise as humans around the world have changed. I get humans can change and grow, so they can change their minds. But explain why christianity has changed its mind on certain topics. (God was wrong?) First versions and the history, of christianity has been appalling.