God is so quiet

[possibletarian]

Really I listened and I know hundreds that have and there are about a billion others in this world that have, seems you've missed out some how.
What you see is what you want to see so you can convince yourself that God is not real and thus you do not have to seek God, you want your own morality so you dismiss God and His unchanging morality.

The numbers game is very silly, you do realise there are many more who do not believe in your god than believe.. and like you they have no evidence that god exists outside of their heads right ?

I don't have to convince myself of anything, theists are making a fantastic claim it really is up to you to provide the proof if you want to be take seriously.

I have the physical evidence, I didn't need it but God gave it to me because he wanted me to grow in a deeper relationship with Him. As you see the leaves moving in the trees and know the wind is blowing, I can see things happen and know God is working in my life or someone else's.

Brilliant, lets see it.. oh wait you can't.  I used to believe exactly as you do I really believed that god was moving in my life, also like you saw it in others.. Truth is though, it's a scam. I used to believe i had physical evidence too, answered prayers people seemingly healing, bottom line though I was simply convincing myself just as you are.

Semantics, you are playing this game and I'm not going to buy it. Explain how not believing is not related to belief.

Fair enough, then explain why lacking a belief is a belief system.

What more should it be than for my relationship with God. You would just put some degrading name to what I've experienced if I were to share it with you and personally I'm tired of being told I'm things I'm not. You can kick a can all day long but that doesn't mean it will give up what it contains.

I'm not interested in degrading a non existent god, nor you truth be told. It is true that i laugh at the concept now just like I laugh at the idea of Thor, Zeus ,Shiva. superman, iron man etc. but that is because of the absurdity of it all.  I'm not laughing because you believe I think that's too tragic to laugh at.
The can is a good metaphor though, you can kick it for evidence of god and simply gets lots of loud empty noise.

I said there is evidence outside what I know in my heart and mind/soul. You just tagged it with conformation bias and refuse to see. I asked how could the person who claims it's in their back yard see it, I wouldn't expect to.

Well no of course not, that's what  makes belief in invisible unprovable beings silly

I'll answer the last part first, God does greater things today than shake a mountain or make a stormy sea.

Like ?

God through Jesus saves people every day from hell through His grace when they accept Christ as their savior.

Any evidence that it is outside the mind?  i see people rejoicing over becoming Muslims, JW's, Mormons.. I could go on, but you get the idea.

So you can't disprove God, but yet you have the gall to say He isn't real.

Well real things usually have evidence attached don't they. do you have any that lives outside of you 'feelings' If not simply say 'no' what could be more simple ?

If you can't disprove God then for you there is always the possibility that He is real, this would be only logical.

Yes like I cant disprove Shiva, Thor etc. but until there is evidence i will stick to the default stance of waiting to be convinced.

I do not need to disprove any of the other so called gods, I know the true living God who says there are no other gods, by that He means none approaching who He is.

Of course you don't I agree they don't really exist, despite the followers of other gods and theologies being just as convinced and sure as you.  i just go one god further and add yours

They exist only in the minds of those who choose to think they are real.

Oh boy, really now you know how I feel about you and your god. They too know their god is real, why should your word mean more than theirs ?

Then there are things like money, cars, jobs and things like that people turn into gods, all useless when it come to an eternal punishment.

That's just daft, it's a saying that means little, people for sure want these things, even make them a priority but as for them being gods.. that's just daft to say things like that in this day and age. No one thinks their car is a god, but if they did they would at least be able to prove it exists.

You could have never been as absolute in your faith as I am in mine because mine lead me to belief then knowledge of God.

Sorry it's true i thought the same.

Faith is a word tossed around so carelessly today that it's loosing it's real meaning as far as Christianity. You have a lot of answering to do to get me to believe not believing is not a belief system

I'm not asking you believe anything, just asking you to justify how not believing in a god is a belief system

I pity you, you can't see the God you said you once believed in and now you can't see that you have substituted one belief for another, that's illogical.

No i simply saw through the one I had.

You claim that your faith was as strong as mine yet you left the God who can save your soul, I did not.

yet

This is proof that your faith was like the seed planted in the rocky soil, fleeting, why? No need to answer that why in a post it's meant only for you to consider. You said you would say the same things I do when you were in church, I do not believe you because you have no idea as to what I can say and do say away from this forum. As for on this forum I haven't seen you counter any Bible arguments nor do I believe you can. You wanted out and made excuses to leave and I know this because you can't disprove anything in the scriptures nor can you disprove God. Seems to me you have some serious thinking to do about life.

You can and do believe what you want, and i suspect to protect your delusion you have to believe that.  I don't need to disprove a book thousands of years old that has Unicorns, magical talking serpents, people who walk on water, flying chariots, big fish you can live in for three days, a sun that moves while the earth lays solid upon its foundations.. utter nonsense. Wake up see the truth.

The freedom I have you never enjoyed so you can't possibly know that it's not real.

Oh just like you, I used to think it was.

My freedom is in the spiritual realm of God and that realm will last forever and it is where i want to be. I'm living reality and I'm as sober minded as any sane man can be. The ones who will reject till their death, Jesus, are the deluded ones, they have talked themselves straight into an eternal punishment and it never needed to happen.

Again, pretty much the dribble I would have come out with, till I found freedom from delusion. I certainly rejoiced in my freedom as a Christian, but alas it all turned out to be a delusion, just like those who rejoice and believe in other religions. To listen to you i could just as easily be talking to a Buddhist  or some other religion.

But.. in the end my freedom is found in being free rejoicing in life itself and moving on in peace.