RE: God is so quiet
February 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2018 at 11:16 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 11, 2018 at 10:42 pm)SteveII Wrote: If God exists, then part of what we are saying is that there exists a being that is the ultimate cause of all reality. If that is not what we are talking about, then we are not talking about God. God has a pretty standard definition. Therefore IF God exists, he does so necessarily--not contingently.
There you go, peddling the articles of your specific faith, again.
Meanwhile.
Quote:You can definitely have a possible world where there is nothing concrete. One such possible world is where only God exists--or beings like him.Since we've determined that there is no possible world where there is..wait for it, no world....-some- universe necessarily exits. Since a god can only exist in some possible world..god is contingent upon some universe existing, at the very least. This shouldn't be taken as an exhaustive list of a gods contingencies...ofc..but one is enough to handle the faith-based nonsense on parade in this thread.
This is an unfortunate consequence of possible world arguments. You opened the bottle, and that let's anyone stuff your genie right into it. This isn't really much of a problem for gods..it's your problem, since you refuse to accept a contingent god as god. As another poster has already mentioned...a contingent god would still be a super duper magic man, satisfying in all of the ways that matter as far as gods go.
Even more troubling, is the assertion that god is not a concrete object. Concrete objects are often categorized as material objects with causal power, conversely, abstract objects as immaterial....without causal power.
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