(February 16, 2018 at 10:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote:Yup in a specific pattern. Now tell wooter to show us a concept that has qualities found in the actual universe .we observe . No numbers a quatitines of real things symbolized . No Logic is a relation to real things . etc(February 16, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Both seem like loaded questions (though probably not intentionally so). My only point was that the discussion gets derailed when people fail to distinguish between the description of a thing and the thing itself. In this particular case, I am asserting that some qualities have ontological status.
When someone says that a sensible body is triangular, they are describing that body as having a distinct quality that is shares with other triangular bodies. Saying that something is triangular is an acknowledgement that it shares a certain kind of about-ness with other similar bodies, i.e. triangularity. It's simply not enough to say the word "triangle" is what we call the set of three-sided bodies. You also have to recognize that you are referring something which gives those objects similarity - the quality of triangularity they all share.
If qualities don't exist, then descriptive words do not refer to anything.
Qualities only need to exist as qualities/properties of sensible objects for descriptive terms pertinent to them to have meaning. There exist objects with three sides. Having three sides is a quality given the label or term of "triangular".
If there's a flaw in my thinking here, please point it out.
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