(February 19, 2018 at 11:26 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, Steve's reasoning (and, by extension, Dr. Craig's) is just dumb, and I have asked Steve this question before:
Quote:If the Universe is expanding, what, exactly, is it expanding into?
If Steve replies, "nothing" (completely reasonable), then Dr. Craig's claim that "Out of nothing, nothing comes" is false, because space itself is expanding at the expense of nothing. On the other hand, if Steve says that there is some sort of multiverse and/or higher dimensions (again, completely reasonable), then, as the BGV theorem paper states, explicitly, there is "new physics", which as with the "Ultraviolet catastrophe" (just Google), means that there is a deeper physical reality out there beyond General Relativity, Quantum Theory, and even, String Theory. On the other hand, if Steve says that space goes on forever, then that is the very definition of an actual infinite, which means that there are events taking place at this very instant which, given the finiteness of information travel (again, completely reasonable) means that such information will reach us in our infinite future (which means that it will never reach us). Steve might want to read about the Andromeda Paradox for a better understanding of the principle of simultaneity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rietdijk%E...m_argument
When posed against an infinite universe, didn’t you tell me, that wasn’t a valid question?
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