RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 7:25 am
(March 7, 2018 at 6:29 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I will respond to this by stating that every single major mythology and even the doctrines of some Christian denominations evolved from ancient Babylonian pagan religion.
Even Chinese mythology and Aboriginal mythologies? I don't think so.
And it's not like Biblical mythology never borrowed some stories from prior mythologies (like the Flood story).
Quote:The peoples of Ancient Mesopotamia, being the cradle of civilization changed from monotheism to polytheism, for example, Abraham was from the city of Ur which was a city of Sumeria, Abraham left the city in search of the one true God.
Not historically accurate ... at all.
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod
Quote:A confrontation between Nimrod and Abraham is said to have taken place, according to several Jewish and Islamic traditions. Some stories bring them both together in a cataclysmic collision, seen as a symbol of the confrontation between Good and Evil, and/or as a symbol of monotheism against polytheism.
Everyone is familiar with the tower of Babel (which meant the 'gate of God', 'Bab' meaning gate and 'El' meaning God, and more importantly "El Shaddai" is another name for the one God) story where at one time everyone spoke the same language but were confused and ended up speaking many different languages, but the same could be said with religion, one God turned in to many gods.
As people migrated out, the Babylonian pagan religion spread throughout the world by way of Egypt, Greece and Rome.
Again, this is not historically accurate. Just because the story of the Tower of Babel is in the Bible doesn't mean it's true.
Quote:For example Both Horus and Odin sacrifice one of their eyes
Correlation does not mean causation.
Quote:http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11548-nimrod
Quote:When Nimrod was informed that Abraham had come forth from the furnace uninjured, he remitted his persecution of the worshiper of Yhwh; but on the following night he saw in a dream a man coming out of the furnace and advancing toward him with a drawn sword. Nimrod thereupon ran away, but the man threw an egg at him; this was afterward transformed into a large river in which all his troops were drowned, only he himself and three of his followers escaping. Then the river again became an egg, and from the latter came forth a small fowl, which flew at Nimrod and pecked out his eye.
Who is Nimrod?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod
Quote:The first biblical mention of Nimrod is in the Table of Nations. He is described as the son of Cush, grandson of Ham, and great-grandson of Noah; and as "a mighty one in the earth" and "a mighty hunter before the Lord". This is repeated in the First Book of Chronicles 1:10, and the "Land of Nimrod" used as a synonym for Assyria or Mesopotamia, is mentioned in the Book of Micah 5:6:
And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
Genesis says that the "beginning of his kingdom" (reshit mamlakto) were the towns of "Babel, Erech, Akkad and Calneh in the land of Shinar" (Mesopotamia) (Gen 10:10)
http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/...901_q.html
Quote:Nimrod means "tyrant". He led the Sumerians of Babylon to pay tribute to the skies (sun, moon, stars, planets) with the sacrifice of their children. The Tower of Babel was built for this purpose, echoed in other cultures such as the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas. Since the head of this government was such an idolatrous tyrant, Shem (Nimrod's uncle) killed him. Nimrod's mother, Semiramis, consoled the people by making them believe the child she carried was Nimrod "reincarnated" -- and named him "Duzu" (Tammuz), Babylonian for the son who rises. This Duzu went into the groves (forests) and placed a gift on a tree to honor Nimrod each year at the winter solstice. It has been said that Duzu was the offspring of Nimrod, who mated with his mother. Nimrod became known as Baal, meaning LORD, and was worshipped by the Babylonians as the sun in the sky -- thus the origin of "going to the heavens" at death.
Therefore it is my position that the Norse god Odin is derived from previously held concepts and can reasonably be dismissed as being real.
Yet, you haven't successfully argued for your position. Basing your argument on questionable sources, and forcing connections where there are none, isn't what constitutes an effective rebuttal. You also didn't address Cecilia's OP argument in its entirety. She's arguing that whatever you hear about Odin that is questionable should be seen as nothing more than allegory. Refute that if you can!