Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Huggy Bear]

I will respond to this by stating that every single major mythology and even the doctrines of some Christian denominations evolved from ancient Babylonian pagan religion.

The peoples of Ancient Mesopotamia, being the cradle of civilization changed from monotheism to polytheism, for example, Abraham was from the city of Ur which was a city of Sumeria, Abraham left the city in search of the one true God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

Everyone is familiar with the tower of Babel (which meant the 'gate of God', 'Bab' meaning gate and 'El' meaning God, and more importantly "El Shaddai" is another name for the one God) story where at one time everyone spoke the same language but were confused and ended up speaking many different languages, but the same could be said with religion, one God turned in to many gods.

As people migrated out, the Babylonian pagan religion spread throughout the world by way of Egypt, Greece and Rome.

For example Both Horus and Odin sacrifice one of their eyes
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/11548-nimrod

Who is Nimrod?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimrod

http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/...901_q.html

Therefore it is my position that the Norse god Odin is derived from previously held concepts and can reasonably be dismissed as being real.

I would be interested to hear a comparison of the Babylonian  Myth with the Norse Mythology  Huggy.  The Norse Myths do incorporate some  aspects of Greek Mythology, but it's tangential.  For example there are three fate like creatures weaving the past, present and future at the bottom of the world tree.  There is a Hell like hot world,  but it's not where the damned are sent.  It will however, in the end engulf all worlds at the end.  Odin hung from a tree in agony with a spear in his side, but it was not for anyone's sins.  He traded pain for the ability to read magic runes.  He traded an eye for wisdom.  The sky is a dome, abet made from a giants skull.  But there isn't much one to one correspondence of gods or tales about them.

Odin is no Zeus. He is not the strongest, but the wisest.  He is the creator of men whom he and his brothers equipped to life on their own.  Asengaard is a fortress not a place where gods sup ambrosia.

The Norse Gods are locked in a war to keep the giants from taking over all worlds.  It a battle they are doomed to lose as the Frost Giants continue to grow and are thus winning the arms race.  But even if the gods did somehow win, the great world tree that as you might guess, supports all worlds, is doomed.  There are poisoned wells as its roots.  It will die and fall.  There is no salvation.  The gods are not eternal.  They can be and sometimes are killed.  The gods must pay real prices for things. They suffer long term loss for the common good.  They are also for the most part loyal husband's and wives who do not stray. Odin and Thor do not spend their time seducing mortal women.

But the stories about these gods are often trickster tales concerning Loki, how is part giant.  He is not a creature to be worshiped. He is happily amoral and too clever by half.  He gets the gods into and out of much trouble.  One goddess is unmarried.   Many tales revolve around giants wanting to marry her, not rape, marry.  She is no Diana deviated to virginity.  The problem is not marriage itself, but the potential bridegroom.

It is a dark world view in the long run where what you do in the present is what matters.  The end is predetermined.  Sacrifice , strength,  and wisdom are admired and demonstrated.  

It is precisely this no free lunch aspect of the Norse Gods that makes them more real than, either the Greek gods, or the early Hebrew myths.

Obviously, The Norse peoples received a clearer vision of the real state of affairs than the muddied softer visions of the Greeks and Babylonians.  These Norse Gods are real.

You've already traced Norse Mythology to the Greeks, now time to trace the Greeks to Babylon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis

Adonis (/əˈdɒnɪs, əˈdoʊnɪs/; Greek: Ἄδωνις), in Greek mythology, is the god of beauty and desire, and is a central figure in various mystery religions

The Greek Ἄδωνις (Greek pronunciation: [ádɔːnis]), Adōnis was a borrowing from the Canaanite word ʼadōn, meaning "lord", which is related to Adonai, one of the names used to refer to the god (אֲדֹנָי) of the Hebrew Bible and still used in Judaism to the present day. Syrian Adonis is Gauas or Aos, akin to Egyptian Osiris, the Semitic Tammuz and Baal Hadad, the Etruscan Atunis and the Phrygian Attis, all of whom are deities of rebirth and vegetation (see life-death-rebirth deity).

Adonis is the Hellenized form of the Phoenician word "adoni", meaning "my lord". It is believed that the cult of Adonis was known to the Greeks from around the sixth century B.C., but it is unquestionable that they came to know it through contact with Cyprus.  Around this time, the cult of Adonis is noted in the Book of Ezekiel in Jerusalem, though under the Babylonian name Tammuz

Adonai the name used to refer to God, became Adonis who was formerly know as the god Tammuz in Babylon.