RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 9, 2018 at 8:55 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2018 at 9:15 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(March 8, 2018 at 5:27 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 10:49 am)Mathilda Wrote: Every example we have of natural intelligence is a self-organising system that functions because of the laws of thermodynamics. Every example we have of natural intelligence is embodied in a physical environment which can be sensed and acted within. We have good reason to believe that every form of natural intelligence can ultimately be explained in terms of thermodynamics.
If you want to assert that natural intelligence exists in any other form (i.e. not AI) then give an example, evidence and at the very least a hypothesis on how it might function.
So if your god is intelligent (i.e. a being) then all the evidence is that it must also be subject to the laws of thermodynamics and therefore not eternal.
Give me one single example of intelligence that is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
Supernatural intelligence.
By definition, it is not subject to natural laws.
su·per·nat·u·ral
ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl/
adjective
God, by definition, is supernatural.
- 1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
You are assuming that your god exists. There is no evidence to warrant that assumption being made.
Provide one example of something existing that is also supernatural.
And if you are defining supernatural as beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature then that means quantum mechanics is supernatural, also dark matter, dark energy, dark flow etc.
But if you define supernatural and as not existing in nature, then you have defined it as something that does not exist. You are effectively admitting that your god is a fantasy and a figment of your imagination.
(March 9, 2018 at 8:48 am)Huggy74 Wrote: *emphasis mine*
Supernatural is a real word with a real definition.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...pernatural
Quote:supernaturalAre you claiming that the supernatural can't exist because everything there is to know is known?
1 (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
Typical theist tactic of trying to limit the range of contrary options to only those that are absurd.
Third option you didn't raise is that the very term supernatural is meaningless.