RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 10, 2018 at 9:22 am
(March 9, 2018 at 2:29 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 8, 2018 at 6:25 pm)SteveII Wrote: Simple.
1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)
1: So god is made from nothing. Do you know what else is made from nothing? all non-existent things.
3: God is not a good explanation for the universe. It would pose more questions than it answers.
4: I see you don't like details, how did an immaterial being (whatever that is) create the universe?
6: none of what you put leads to that conclusion.
First, the syllogism is airtight and I gave reasons at the end of each line.
1. I did not say 'nothing'. Words and their definitions are important. Look up words if you can't understand them.
3. If God exists, he is an excellent explanation of the universe. This is not a point you are going to win. There is no debate here.
4. 'How' is unknowable. See my answer to Mister Agenda above.
You think that since the argument contains the notion of God, there must be something wrong with it. Actually, many of you seem to think this way. That is simply not true and trying to pick an argument apart based on that shows you are in over your head.
