RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 10, 2018 at 10:56 am
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2018 at 12:29 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(March 10, 2018 at 9:43 am)SteveII Wrote:(March 10, 2018 at 8:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: Give me one single example of intelligence that is not subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
GOD.
Why can't you see that all you are doing is insisting that I prove the existence of God. That is all you are doing!!!!
Your form of the argument is a just an argument from ignorance. You are asserting that intelligence is subject to the laws of thermodynamics because I can't prove otherwise.
No. You are asserting that a timeless, changeless, immaterial, supernatural being who has intelligence but no physical prescience, is capable of causing physical events and interacting with the physical world. Boy, that’s quite a claim! I don’t know of anything in existence that isn’t subject to the laws of physics. You say there is one thing, and it’s God.
So, when asked how such a being could be what you assert he is, and do what you assert he does, your explanation is: ‘Well, he’s god. We can’t understand. It’s unknowable.’ You want to invoke him as an explanation for things, and use his alleged existence in positive arguments, without actually explaining anything. That is arguing in a circle. You’re using ‘god’s unknowable powers’ as a place-holder for, ‘I don’t know. He just is, and he just can.’
When you posit god as the sole exception to the laws of physics without offering a coherent description of the mechanics of such an entity, you are essentially just asserting his existence, and expecting us to take that assertion seriously. Why should we?
Consider this conversation:
You: When you throw things in the air they will fall down, because of gravity.
Me: No, not all things.
You: Okay, give me an example of a thing that doesn’t fall down when you throw it in the air.
Me: A Flim Flam.
You: What is a Flim Flam, and explain how it can violate gravity?
Me: Well, a Flim Flam is supernatural, so there is really no way for us to comprehend how.
I would imagine your response would be something along the lines of, “then why should I take seriously the claim that such a thing exists at all?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
