RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 10, 2018 at 1:26 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(March 10, 2018 at 11:09 am)SteveII Wrote: This is real simple. God, by definition, would be an exception to your claim that "all known examples of intelligence are subject to the laws of thermodynamics." You think that I have to prove God or your statement is true. That IS EXACTLY equivalent to what I said above: "...all you are doing is insisting that I prove the existence of God. That is all you are doing!!!!"
Thinking that your statement is true unless I prove it wrong is very much the definition of an argument from ignorance.
Bullshit. It's not an argument from ignorance. It's an inductive argument, and it's valid. "All examples of intelligence we have are subject to the laws of thermodynamics, therefore we are justified in believing that all cases of intelligence are subject to the laws of thermodynamics." The same goes for your typical complaint about arguments against miracles being begging the question. All she is doing is asking you to justify your believing otherwise by providing one counter-example. Sheesh! You are a master at uncharitable interpretation of your opponent's arguments.
Bullshit
Here was her original statement:
"Conversely an eternal god is thermodynamically implausible for two reasons. First it violates the second law of thermodynamics because entropy can never decrease in an isolated system and no process is 100% efficient. Secondly, the formation of intelligence is best explained as a thermodynamic process". https://atheistforums.org/post-1712719.html#pid1712719
Go ahead, defend that. OR tell her to drop this. Ball is in your court.