RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 10, 2018 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2018 at 1:33 pm by I_am_not_mafia.)
(March 10, 2018 at 1:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: Nope. I am not making an argument (just picking one apart). So, I make no assertions. Mathilda originally said that God does not make sense because all intelligence is subject to the law of thermodynamics. My point was and is that if God exists, he is by definition an exception. There is no argument against God that contains the word 'thermodynamics'.
But until you demonstrate that your god exists then my point still holds because absolutely every example of intelligence obeys the laws of thermodynamics. Not only that, but intelligence can be understood to function because of the laws of thermodynamics.
Using your standards of argument, anything anyone says can be countered with if X exists, where X contradicts your argument, then X by this definition I've just created is an exception. The difference is that you are giving your X a name ... God.
(March 10, 2018 at 1:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: The definition of God guarantees an exception to the law of physics. I don't have to explain definitions.
The definition of a god-eater guarantees that your god does not exist. I don't have to explain definitions.
(March 10, 2018 at 1:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: But it does serve to illustrate my complaint about Mathilda's comments. She demands that I defend definitions. I don't have to. She can't show that the concept of 'God' or 'supernatural' is problematic.
I already have shown that 'supernatural' is meaningless word. If everything that exists is part of nature and supernatural is not part of nature, then anything supernatural does not exist. Nothing supernatural exists. If something supernatural existed then it would be part of nature. We may not understand it, we may not even ever have a practical means of ever understanding it, but it would still obey certain laws.
The same argument applies to god. The very term is something that cannot be adequately defined, and like with supernatural, would lose all utility if it ever was. Because once you started to define what a god was, it wouldn't be a god any more, it would be something else. Both god and supernatural are meant as vague nebulous terms with no clear definition where people can rest their flawed premises.
