RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 10, 2018 at 1:42 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2018 at 1:57 pm by Jenny A.)
(March 10, 2018 at 11:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(March 9, 2018 at 6:18 pm)Jenny A Wrote: One faith healer exposed cheating with a radio transmitter.
A practical demonstration of how to cheat.
It took about ten seconds to find these Huggy.
That is one of the problems with trying to prove a negative. The proponent for the positive just comes back with one more worthless bit.
It took ten seconds to find a case totally unrelated to what we're discussing? Are you suggesting that one con artist preacher equates to all preachers being con artists? William Branham started preaching in the 1930's, so how is the guy with the earpiece remotely related?
What I saying is much more basic. If a particular type of miracle can be faked, then absent controlled conditions to prevent faking, it's not proof of anything.
If I showed you a video of a man pulling a coin out of his or someone else's ear and testified I saw it happen would you believe he was magic? No? Why not? Because it's a common magic trick that's why. To know he'd really pulled a coin out of his ear or mine you'd have to first strip search him, use a bare room of your own choice, and deprive him of most of his clothes.
Many, many, fake faith healers have been exposed over the years. Not surprisingly, it's often magicians who expose them. The methods are shared in common with psychic readers who have been faking a along time too. Because it's commonly faked, more than just I saw it happen is required to show it really happened. Controlled conditions are required
Fake healers use a variety of methods. Not all communication requires radio. Just memorizing what you've been told before the show works just fine. So does suggestive questioning. So no, the year it happened doesn't matter. Without controlled conditions no report of a faith healer, including the accounts in the Gospels, can be assumed to be real.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.