RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 11, 2018 at 12:32 pm
(March 10, 2018 at 1:42 pm)Jenny A Wrote:(March 10, 2018 at 11:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: It took ten seconds to find a case totally unrelated to what we're discussing? Are you suggesting that one con artist preacher equates to all preachers being con artists? William Branham started preaching in the 1930's, so how is the guy with the earpiece remotely related?
What I saying is much more basic. If a particular type of miracle can be faked, then absent controlled conditions to prevent faking, it's not proof of anything.
If I showed you a video of a man pulling a coin out of his or someone else's ear and testified I saw it happen would you believe he was magic? No? Why not? Because it's a common magic trick that's why. To know he'd really pulled a coin out of his ear or mine you'd have to first strip search him, use a bare room of your own choice, and deprive him of most of his clothes.
Many, many, fake faith healers have been exposed over the years. Not surprisingly, it's often magicians who expose them. The methods are shared in common with psychic readers who have been faking a along time too. Because it's commonly faked, more than just I saw it happen is required to show it really happened. Controlled conditions are required
Fake healers use a variety of methods. Not all communication requires radio. Just memorizing what you've been told before the show works just fine. So does suggestive questioning. So no, the year it happened doesn't matter. Without controlled conditions no report of a faith healer, including the accounts in the Gospels, can be assumed to be real.
Spoken as someone who has no Idea of how "faith healing" works.
First of all there is no such thing as a 'faith healer' there is not one person with the ability to heal, I'n the video I posted, at 3:36 Branham made it clear that he had no ability to heal, but to get it in your head the Jesus Christ has already done it.
Healing is a finished work:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. - 1 Peter 2:24
In order to receive healing one must accept it on the basis of faith. This is why Branham with out ever previously meeting a person could tell them things about their life that he couldn't possibly know, the purpose of this isn't to show off, but to strengthen their faith in order to receive healing.
Science has tapped into this by way of the placebo effect, the difference is that the patients faith is based on a lie... Get it.
God strengthens your faith by telling you the truth, Science attempts to do this by lying.
As far as con artist go, you can find people throughout the bible that try to mimic the genuine gift of God. The reason why someone would attempt to fake any of Gods gifts, other than money and fame, is because the bible states that certain gifts would be in the church, if your church has none of these gifts then there is something wrong, hence the fake impersonators.
