Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Jenny A]

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What I saying is much more basic.  If a particular type of miracle can be faked, then absent controlled conditions to prevent faking, it's not proof of anything.  

If I showed you a video of a man pulling a coin out of his or someone else's ear  and testified I saw it happen  would you believe he was magic? No? Why not? Because it's a common magic trick that's why.  To know he'd really pulled a coin out of his ear or mine you'd have to first strip search him, use a bare room of your own choice, and deprive him of most of his clothes.  

Many, many, fake faith healers have been exposed over the years.  Not surprisingly, it's often magicians who expose them.  The methods are shared in common with psychic readers who have been faking a along time too. Because it's commonly faked, more than just I saw it happen is required to show it really happened.  Controlled conditions are required

Fake healers use a variety of methods.  Not all communication requires radio. Just memorizing what you've  been told before the show works just fine.  So does suggestive questioning.  So no, the year it happened doesn't matter.  Without controlled conditions no report of a faith healer, including the accounts in the Gospels, can be assumed to be real.

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Spoken as someone who has no Idea of how "faith healing" works.

First of all there is no such thing as a 'faith healer' there is not one person with the ability to heal, I'n the video I posted, at 3:36 Branham made it clear that he had no ability to heal, but to get it in your head the Jesus Christ has already done it.

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Healing is a finished work:

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. - 1 Peter 2:24

In order to receive healing one must accept it on the basis of faith. This is why Branham with out ever previously meeting a person could tell them things about their life that he couldn't possibly know, the purpose of this isn't to show off, but to strengthen their faith in order to receive healing.

Science has tapped into this by way of the placebo effect, the difference is that the patients faith is based on a lie... Get it.

God strengthens your faith by telling you the truth, Science attempts to do this by lying.

As far as con artist go, you can find people throughout the bible that try to mimic the genuine gift of God. The reason why someone would attempt to fake any of Gods gifts, other than money and fame, is because the bible states that certain gifts would be in the church, if your church has none of these gifts then there is something wrong, hence the fake impersonators.

Whether you would attribute real miraculous healing to god working through a human agent, a magician, or Odin, is irrelevant. To demononstate a miracle you must first demonstrate that there is a miracle. That requires eliminating the possibility of natural causes.

You are assuming the agency of god without first eliminating natural causes. I've shown that there are natural causes (i.e. faking) in many cases. So you must first eliminate the chance of faking in any particular case you would show as proof. You can't do that with just film and/or eyewitness testimony. Lying by both the healed and the healer is a common kind of fakery. So is the power of suggestion, leading questions, vauge statements, pre-healing screenings, and just knowing that most of the audience came to be healed of something.

It's as if even though you are sure that most of the time a 747 flies because natural forces, because the pilot says the last one was god, you believe it was god. If the flight is the same to all appearances as every other flight, his word means nothing. If the plane hovered dead still in the air for 30 minutes we can talk about the supernatural.

Or better yet, what about the magician who says, but this time I really did pull a coin from someone's ear?