Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Jenny A]

First of all you and Min's mistake is assuming that because I believe what she says about her experience 50+ years ago, that I somehow associate with her 100%, I referenced her because it was the shortest video I could find, there are plenty of eye witness testimony but those videos range anywhere from 30 min to 2 hours... you guys struggle with anything over 2 mins.

If you knew anything about William Branhams teachings, you'd know that he spoke against women preaching, wearing pants, and cutting their hair (all biblically based), Marilyn Hickey does all three, so she obviously doesn't adhere to Branhams teachings, she just happened to attend one of his services a long time ago.

But like I said, I could provide witness testimony all day, How about congressman Upshaw?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_David_Upshaw


William David Upshaw (October 15, 1866 – November 21, 1952) served eight years in Congress (1919–1927), where he was such a strong proponent of the temperance movement that he became known as the "driest of the drys.".

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Congressman Upshaw had been on crutches for 59 years, and this is Upshaw's own testimony which was written in the above tract.

I walked into that Branham-Baxter meeting in Calvary Temple, Los Angeles, loving God and His blessed Word, leaning on my crutches that had been my “buddies”-my helpful comrades for 59 of my 66 years as a cripple-7 of those years spend on bed; I walked out that night of February 8th, leaving my crutches on the platform – the song of deliverance ringing in my heart in happy consonance with the should sof victory from those who thronged about me – their tears of rejoicing crystal with the light of the skies’ chief among them was my blessed wife whose dear face, glowing amid her joyous exclamations: “Praise the Lord” and “Glory to God,” was beaming like a patch of Heaven.

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Whether you would attribute real miraculous healing to god working through a human agent, a magician, or Odin, is irrelevant.  To demononstate a miracle you must first demonstrate that there is a miracle. That requires eliminating the possibility of natural causes.

You are assuming the agency of god without first eliminating natural causes.  I've shown that there are natural causes (i.e. faking) in many cases.  So you must first eliminate the chance of faking in any particular case you would show as proof.   You can't do that with just film and/or eyewitness testimony.   Lying by both the healed and the healer is a common kind of fakery.  So is the power of suggestion, leading questions, vauge statements,  pre-healing screenings, and just knowing that most of the audience came to be healed of something.

It's as if even though you are sure that most of the time a 747 flies because natural forces, because the pilot says the last one was god, you believe it was god.  If the flight is the same to all appearances as every other flight, his word means nothing.  If the plane hovered dead still in the air for 30 minutes we can talk about the supernatural.

Or better yet, what about the magician who says, but this time I really did pull a coin from someone's ear?

See above

I see one more personal testimony. And no, being a senitor does it make him a better witness. Show me a case that can be proven not to be fake. Hint: given the prevalence of fakery, delusion, and lying, you'll need controlled circumstances. For some reason faith healing never works under controlled circumstances.