RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 11, 2018 at 6:31 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2018 at 6:32 pm by SteveII.)
(March 11, 2018 at 5:39 pm)possibletarian Wrote:(March 11, 2018 at 4:45 pm)SteveII Wrote: I did not say that God was "outside of any method of proving existence". We have at least the following:
1. Inferrence
2. Deductive reasoning
3. Interaction with the natural world
a. NT
b. Continued miracles
c. Testimony of experiences/changed lives/relationships and
d. Personal experience.
All of which can be explained without invoking a creature with impossible to prove characteristics, like I said all in the mind then.
Apart from wanting god to exist, do you have anything real you can offer ?
I offered a list of different ways of discovering that God exists. To which you replied "All of which can be explained...". Even if you had a theory for each of them, those theories are your opinion. You cannot prove one counter-argument to any of the above--not one.
The evidence that I believe that supports my belief (another opinion) is below:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
Since you cannot 'prove' that any of these are falsely held beliefs, my conclusion (opinion) that God exists is by definition rationale (from my reasoning listed above). The amount of evidence meets my personal threshold for proof that God exists.
