Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Huggy Bear]

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First of all you and Min's mistake is assuming that because I believe what she says about her experience 50+ years ago, that I somehow associate with her 100%,-

Once again, the concept of objectivity goes right over your head.  What you, personally believe about her is irrelevant here.  She’s a fraud.  She’s a televangelist who rips people off. This is a demonstrable fact, and I have other sources if just the one is not enough for you.  So, let’s go over what we have again with this updated information:

1. A priest who says he saw light.

2. A group of people, including a known religious con-artist, who claim they saw a light

3. A photo of light.

Again I ask...where is your evidence that the light in the photo is god?

If you knew anything about William Branhams teachings, you'd know that he spoke against women preaching, wearing pants, and cutting their hair (all biblically based), Marilyn Hickey does all three, so she obviously doesn't adhere to Branhams teachings, she just happened to attend one of his services a long time ago.[/i]

Completely irrelevant, Huggy.

But like I said, I could provide witness testimony all day, How about congressman Upshaw?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_David_Upshaw

Congressman Upshaw had been on crutches for 59 years, and this is Upshaw's own testimony which was written in the above tract.

I walked into that Branham-Baxter meeting in Calvary Temple, Los Angeles, loving God and His blessed Word, leaning on my crutches that had been my “buddies”-my helpful comrades for 59 of my 66 years as a cripple-7 of those years spend on bed; I walked out that night of February 8th, leaving my crutches on the platform – the song of deliverance ringing in my heart in happy consonance with the should sof victory from those who thronged about me – their tears of rejoicing crystal with the light of the skies’ chief among them was my blessed wife whose dear face, glowing amid her joyous exclamations: “Praise the Lord” and “Glory to God,” was beaming like a patch of Heaven.

You’re serious?  Oh, you’re serious.  Lol.  You know nothing about this man’s affliction, if it was even real.  You have no access to his medical records, if any exist.  You have no way of ruling out the possibility that he was faking it, nor the possibility that there was a natural explanation for his alleged regained function.  This is blatant confirmation bias, AGAIN.  You’re starting with your conclusion and working backward from there.  And, more to the point, can you please explain to me how the hell the testimony of this congressman regarding his healed legs is evidence that that light in the photo is god? I don’t think you understand what evidence is.

Noteworthy aside:  Nowhere in the Wiki article of this man’s life is Congressman Upshaw’s ‘miraculous healing’ mentioned.


Also, I’m drinking wine, so if none of this makes sense, just say so. 😝 🍷

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Lol, everything is fake.

The guy was a public figure, you can find photographs of him as a young man in a wheel chair, seeing how he received a spinal injury at 18 and spent the next 7 years of his life bedridden, so the best you can do is claim the man has been faking the injury for 66 years?

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It seems that Mr. Upshaw claimed to be healed several times, through several different means: https://www.facebook.com/SeekYeTheTruth/...52/?type=3

Has Huggy found Marilyn Hickey’s missing uterus yet?

*emphasis mine*

You do realize that condition is quite common in women right? Joke if you want to...

https://youngwomenshealth.org/2013/10/02/mrkh/

MRKH is a congenital disorder that affects the female reproductive tract. Congenital means that it’s acquired during development and present at birth. About 1 in every 5,000 female babies has this condition.

Girls with MRKH have normal ovaries and fallopian tubes. Most often the uterus is absent or tiny.

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Because everyone knows misdiagnosis never happen 

There’s that, but with this particular guy, a quick bit of research shows him to be a shill for just about anything that caught his fancy.  Before this particular article/advertisement, he had another about how Sargon pills ‘healed’ him from everything ranging from fatigue to constipation (Sargon was nothing but snake oil).  So, that’s three claims of healing - two religious, one pharmaceutical via a known fake medicine.  Moreover, the account Huggy is referencing changed considerably as time passed from the so-called healing:

http://en.believethesign.com/index.php/C...man_Upshaw

It should be noted that the sources I’ve used are sympathetic to miraculous claims.  They think the stories are false, and that Upshaw wasn’t genuine.

Ultimately, there’s no reason to believe any of it.

Ah, referencing believe the sign again I see...

Btw I didn't know that being healed of constipation was an medical imposibility...

https://raycityhistory.wordpress.com/tag/sargon/

By 1933 the Federal Trade Commission had called the G. F. Willis company to task:  [b]the major ingredients of Sargon were grain alcohol and a laxative. In stipulation proceedings, G.F. Willis conceded that it’s advertising of Sargon was misleading.  The Journal of the American Medical Association printed an abstract of the stipulation:[/b]

So a LAXATIVE cured constipation... who would of thought?


From the website you linked.

http://en.believethesign.com/index.php/C...man_Upshaw

William Branham retold the story of Congressman Upshaw's healing many times. However, over time the story changed considerably so that by 1954 it included a vision of a brown suit, and a "Thus Saith The Lord" statement spoken by Brother Branham to William Upshaw directly over the pulpit, and not as communicated by Brother LeRoy Kopp.

Notice a skeptic website (don't let the name fool you) can't deny the event happened, the best they could come up with is that there was some discrepancy between Branham's and Upshaw's telling of the story.

William Branham was a guest speaker at many different churches across the nation, he didn't tell total stranger about visions and things of that nature for understandable reasons, he reserved those details for his home church.

All this show it that you atheists are getting desperate.