RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 12, 2018 at 12:11 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2018 at 12:14 pm by SteveII.)
(March 12, 2018 at 3:23 am)Mathilda Wrote:You are really really really hung up on trying to apply descriptions and properties of our universe to God. This is horrible logic. If God exists, he created the universe. Do you think he is made of the stuff that he create and constrained by the laws needed to hold that stuff together? That makes no sense at all. Not any.(March 11, 2018 at 8:17 pm)SteveII Wrote: What is up with you? Why do you think God is not defined? There have been like 4,000,000 books written on the subject of God. Here's an idea: Google "defining the god of monotheism" and read a few things.
Give me a proper definition of what a god is then.
- What is it?
- What is it not?
- What is it made of?
- How can we determine whether something is a god or not a god?
- In other words, what observable characteristics does it have that sets it apart from non-gods?
- Where do you find it?
Take granite for example. The loose definition used to be coarse white or pink or grey crystalline rock. Pick up rock, show it to someone and they would be able to tell whether or not it was granite, sandstone or their imagination. Further observations led to many more specific definitions for all the different forms of granite out there until everyone could agree on what type of granite they were looking at.
Absolutely no one has the same definition of what a god is. You cannot come up with a definition which everyone agrees upon. Not even the loosest characteristics. At most there are some very vague characteristics that many people will agree on, but not everyone.
This is because your god does not exist and is imagined. And in fact the very term god is something that is not meant to be properly defined otherwise it loses its meaning.
Do you find it odd that there is no argument against the existence of God in the history of mankind that uses this reasoning?
It does not matter if there were a million definitions of God. That does not mean there is not a correct one. In fact, if God exists, the very nature of God entails that we cannot comprehend very much--so the correct description is actually unknowable by us. Really, how can we truly comprehend omnipotence and omniscience and describe it accurately? If you think this is an argument against God, that is simple an argument from ignorance.
BTW, your last paragraph starts with a claim to knowledge. This is why I laugh at the argument that "atheists just have a lack of belief". That's nonsense in 99 out of 100 cases.