RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 12, 2018 at 12:52 pm
(March 12, 2018 at 12:17 pm)Mathilda Wrote:(March 12, 2018 at 12:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: It does not matter if there were a million definitions of God. That does not mean there is not a correct one. In fact, if God exists, the very nature of God entails that we cannot comprehend very much--so the correct description is actually unknowable by us. Really, how can we truly comprehend omnipotence and omniscience and describe it accurately?
How can something that we cannot define and is inherently unknowable by us be the best explanation of anything then?
I didn't say we couldn't define God. We can't fully define God. That is a big difference. We get information from
1. Direct revelation (the OT, NT, etc.)
2. Systematic theology (if we know this and this, this is true).
3. Natural theology (inductive and deductive reasoning)
4. Personal experience
5. Experiences of others
Quote:(March 12, 2018 at 12:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: BTW, your last paragraph starts with a claim to knowledge. This is why I laugh at the argument that "atheists just have a lack of belief". That's nonsense in 99 out of 100 cases.
Look at what I put for religious views near my avatar. Gnostic atheist. I claim to know that your god does not exist. Yes most atheists do lack belief in a god, that's why they are called agnostic atheists. And I think that's a worthy position to hold. I personally feel confident enough to state that I actually believe that there is no such thing as a god and can back it up as well. As I am doing in this thread for example.
Your confidence is misplaced because you don't have a single argument that I have heard that didn't have holes large enough to drive a truck through. Very much related to this, it is very obvious you do not have a good grasp on what Christians believe and why. So it is puzzling to me how you have a high level of confidence that something is false when you don't even know what it is that is false.
I understand you won't take my word for it AND there seems to be some kind of atheist code here that prevents criticism of other atheists, you should find an atheist who is good at philosophy and bounce these things off of them.
