(March 13, 2018 at 7:25 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: I'll go first: The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million light years away from us. That means that when we look at Andromeda through a telescope, we do not see it as it exists today. We see it as it existed 2.5 million years ago. If the universe is only 6,000 years old as you say, this means that when God created the cosmos, he actually stretched the light from Andromeda to Earth. Why? To give anyone with a telescope good reason to doubt the accounts in Genesis? It makes no sense.
YEC and some of the more fundy atheists remind me a lot of each other.
But anyways, what I have found, is that in the example you gave, they will just say that the light was created part way along; similar to how Adam was created as an adult man. And I don't think that your re-buttal goes very far, because; one can just point to your assumptions, vs their assumptions.
The way that I've formed a question/thought experiment in the past, is that it is not just light of the stars, that we see, but a history. We see different things happening, we see stars dying. So in essence, we have light that shows a star dying, that according to the young view never existed. So it is possible, that God created the light in transit, so that we could see, just as it is possible, that God created Adam as a full adult. However, I have difficulty, in thinking, that he was created as an adult human, with a past, that never happened. Memory of a childhood, or even parents, that never existed. This is essentially the same thing that is being said with the light being made partially along the way. It's not just light but a history, a past. Similar to how by the time we see events on the sun, they already occurred eight minutes ago.
Some times it takes a few times repeating this. But I have found that most when posed with the question will have trouble with Adam having the memory of a childhood, that never occurred. The difficulty is often to get them past the argument of just light, and to see that; that light contains information (a past). A past they are saying never occurred and at times for things they are saying are not even there.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther