Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[I_am_not_mafia]

First, like I said before, all that is needed for this premise is a causal principle.

And please explain why all that is needed for this premise is a causal principle rather than name dropping philosophical terms that can be used to magic into existence a non existent being through logic alone. That way .... <drum roll> we can examine your working and test each assumption rather than apply some off the shelf armchair philosophy to create an excuse to allow you to believe what the hell you like.

Second, your rewriting significantly reduces the scope of the premise by making it about things inside the universe. This makes it useless to talk about things outside the universe.

But this is precisely what the KCA does that you like so much

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.

Everything inside the universe begins to exist so everything outside the universe must also begin to exist. That's 2 / 3 of your argument right there. Why is it any different for a continuous version compared to a discrete version of the argument?

2. The universe itself first had to develop over time.

Nope. There is no such thing as a partial universe, partial spacetime or even a partial singularity. There are only two choices: the universe came into being or the universe always was. 

Agreed. So is it 4a, 4b or 4c for the environment of the universe?

4a: came about in an instant
4b: has always existed unchanging
4c: has always existed but continually changes.

And that very last sentence is your problem. This is not a question of science. It is a metaphysical question. Now we can use science in support of or to undercut a premise, but this is not a science problem. You have got to learn the difference as well as learn the limitations of science or you will keep stumbling on this stuff.

Sorry. I forgot that you can't differentiate between reality and your armchair philosophy.

Metaphysics right. OK, that means imaginary physics which is undetectable and can only be discerned by mental masturbation.

If it's real then why shouldn't we be able to investigate it using the scientific method?