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Quick YEC Debunks
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
(March 14, 2018 at 9:25 am)alpha male Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 9:13 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I believe you mentioned, and I am curious what do you think was flawed in my analogy?

Quote:The way that I've formed a question/thought experiment in the past, is that it is not just light of the stars, that we see, but a history. We see different things happening, we see stars dying.  So in essence, we have light that shows a star dying, that according to the young view never existed.  So it is possible, that God created the light in transit, so that we could see, just as it is possible, that God created Adam as a full adult.

Yep.

Quote:However, I have difficulty, in thinking, that he was created as an adult human, with a past, that never happened.  Memory of a childhood, or even parents, that never existed.

I agree. And, since I can accept an Adam being created at a later stage of what we now consider the normal life cycle - and I accept that that doesn't imply a history - I can likewise accept a star (or just its image) being created at a later stage of what we now consider the normal life cycle, and I don't need to infer a history from it's present state.

To me it's like you make the proper analogy, then just jump 180 degrees to the opposite conclusion.

Would you agree, that the light is not just light (random photons), but that the light contains information (shows a history)?  I don't think that this is an inference.  And in some instances, the information contained in this light tells us about things that are no longer there (was never really there). For me, this would be similar to Adam having false memories (information) about parents that never existed.  In a lot of these arguments, they only focus on the light.  and for a number of those opposing, they are unwilling to consider an assumption that doesn't fit their view.  This is why I focus on the information, not just light.     It's not like there is a rock, that is traveling across space, and we falsely assume that it's motion can be traced back. 

It's not about an inference or assumptions being made (which could be wrong).  It's simply accepting (observation) of the information being given to us.   With this subject, you can go into a lot of depth, about the the evidence for an age of the earth, and of the universe.  And I do think that YEC can make some good points, which are not always addressed very well.   I also think that there are a number of things which YEC must ignore in order to hold that view.  For me, I think that you need to take all the information in, examine where assumptions may have been made, and come to the best conclusion.   While it's possible, that light could be created with false information, it's also possible, that text could be created with false information as well.  The other possibility that people often forget is that they could be wrong (in assumptions or interpretation).
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 7:25 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 7:32 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Sal - March 13, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 7:45 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 13, 2018 at 7:53 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 13, 2018 at 7:55 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 13, 2018 at 8:37 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Joods - March 15, 2018 at 2:29 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 16, 2018 at 4:47 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Joods - March 16, 2018 at 7:41 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 13, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 13, 2018 at 8:13 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 13, 2018 at 8:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 13, 2018 at 9:18 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 13, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 13, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 3:02 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by drfuzzy - March 13, 2018 at 10:59 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 13, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vorlon13 - March 13, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:15 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Norfolk And Chance - March 28, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:59 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by haig - March 13, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:56 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 13, 2018 at 2:50 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 13, 2018 at 4:36 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 13, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 13, 2018 at 7:01 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 7:17 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 7:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 13, 2018 at 11:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 14, 2018 at 3:39 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 14, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 4:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 4:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 7:16 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 7:45 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 8:05 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by haig - March 13, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Succubus - March 13, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 14, 2018 at 12:07 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 14, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 6:49 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 8:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 8:54 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 9:25 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 10:04 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 10:41 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Angrboda - March 14, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 1:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Anomalocaris - March 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 12:27 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 1:45 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:02 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 2:11 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 15, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Angrboda - March 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 14, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Jenny A - March 14, 2018 at 4:09 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 3:40 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 14, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 15, 2018 at 5:01 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 15, 2018 at 5:17 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 9:53 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Succubus - March 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 4:50 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 3:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 3:50 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 6:23 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 15, 2018 at 4:39 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 15, 2018 at 5:17 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 16, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Succubus - March 15, 2018 at 5:38 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Cecelia - March 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 3:50 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 15, 2018 at 4:09 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 15, 2018 at 5:59 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2018 at 9:01 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 16, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 16, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 16, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 17, 2018 at 5:57 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 17, 2018 at 8:10 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 17, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 17, 2018 at 11:15 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 18, 2018 at 9:04 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 18, 2018 at 2:27 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 19, 2018 at 8:11 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 19, 2018 at 8:01 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 16, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 16, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 16, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Anomalocaris - March 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 11:26 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 18, 2018 at 6:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 18, 2018 at 6:57 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 19, 2018 at 5:31 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 19, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 18, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vorlon13 - March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 19, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 19, 2018 at 3:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 19, 2018 at 4:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by drfuzzy - March 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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