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Quick YEC Debunks
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks
(March 14, 2018 at 1:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You are talking about something else all together now.  This isn't about what is usual or making those types of assumptions.  This is about what you can see directly.

No, you can't see the age of the universe directly. You can't see that it took 20 million years for light to get to earth, or that a star was created with light already reaching here. You noted this in your first post - different assumptions generate different conclusions from the same currently observable phenomena.

Quote:There are some difficulties with some traditions.   But I don't find that I need to reject one or the other.

How do you address the difficulties I noted?
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Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 7:25 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 7:32 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Sal - March 13, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 7:45 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 13, 2018 at 7:53 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 13, 2018 at 7:55 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 8:22 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 13, 2018 at 8:37 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:41 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Joods - March 15, 2018 at 2:29 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Little Rik - March 16, 2018 at 4:47 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Joods - March 16, 2018 at 7:41 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 13, 2018 at 8:03 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 13, 2018 at 8:13 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 13, 2018 at 8:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 13, 2018 at 9:18 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 13, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 13, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 3:02 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by drfuzzy - March 13, 2018 at 10:59 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 13, 2018 at 11:50 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vorlon13 - March 13, 2018 at 12:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:15 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Norfolk And Chance - March 28, 2018 at 2:03 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 13, 2018 at 12:18 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:34 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 13, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by brewer - March 13, 2018 at 12:59 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by haig - March 13, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 12:56 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 13, 2018 at 6:33 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 7:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 13, 2018 at 11:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 14, 2018 at 3:39 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 14, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 3:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Minimalist - March 13, 2018 at 4:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 4:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 7:16 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 13, 2018 at 7:45 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 13, 2018 at 8:05 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by chimp3 - March 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by haig - March 13, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Succubus - March 13, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Valkyrie - March 14, 2018 at 12:07 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 14, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 6:49 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 8:43 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 8:54 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 9:25 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 10:04 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 10:41 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Angrboda - March 14, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 1:13 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Anomalocaris - March 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 12:27 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 14, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 1:48 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:02 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Angrboda - March 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 3:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2018 at 2:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 2:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Astreja - March 14, 2018 at 3:19 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Jenny A - March 14, 2018 at 4:09 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Divinity - March 14, 2018 at 3:40 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 14, 2018 at 5:25 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 14, 2018 at 6:13 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 15, 2018 at 5:01 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 6:42 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 3:00 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 15, 2018 at 5:17 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 15, 2018 at 6:13 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 9:53 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Succubus - March 15, 2018 at 4:23 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 4:50 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Crossless2.0 - March 14, 2018 at 2:31 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 14, 2018 at 2:55 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 14, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 14, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 14, 2018 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Cecelia - March 15, 2018 at 1:25 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 15, 2018 at 5:17 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2018 at 8:09 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Huggy Bear - March 16, 2018 at 9:22 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 15, 2018 at 9:20 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 15, 2018 at 11:18 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 16, 2018 at 2:38 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 16, 2018 at 6:14 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Whateverist - March 16, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 15, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 1:24 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 15, 2018 at 1:35 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 15, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 15, 2018 at 3:33 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Aegon - March 15, 2018 at 3:37 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Cecelia - March 15, 2018 at 9:25 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 3:50 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Grandizer - March 15, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 16, 2018 at 9:01 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 16, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 16, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 16, 2018 at 1:54 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 17, 2018 at 5:57 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by John V - March 17, 2018 at 8:10 am
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 17, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 17, 2018 at 11:15 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 18, 2018 at 9:04 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 18, 2018 at 2:27 pm
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RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Fake Messiah - March 22, 2018 at 10:45 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Mister Agenda - March 16, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by robvalue - March 16, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 16, 2018 at 3:37 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Anomalocaris - March 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2018 at 11:26 am
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 18, 2018 at 2:32 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 18, 2018 at 6:47 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 18, 2018 at 6:57 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by RoadRunner79 - March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Pat Mustard - March 19, 2018 at 5:31 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Catholic_Lady - March 19, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 18, 2018 at 7:43 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vorlon13 - March 18, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by I_am_not_mafia - March 19, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 12:44 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 19, 2018 at 3:58 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by vulcanlogician - March 19, 2018 at 4:04 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by drfuzzy - March 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by Amarok - March 19, 2018 at 7:20 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 4:05 pm
RE: Quick YEC Debunks - by The Grand Nudger - March 19, 2018 at 9:59 pm

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