RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 14, 2018 at 4:53 pm
(This post was last modified: March 14, 2018 at 5:31 pm by possibletarian.)
(March 14, 2018 at 3:36 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 14, 2018 at 12:01 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Yes its a good list of definitions, but nothing more. All you seem to be proving is that Christianity has made a better a good job of creating a list of definitions that may be true if a god existed, though of course there are continued problem with the interpretation of what the scripture actually means in many places.
There is no "continued problem with interpretation" concerning the nature of God. That only exists in your head.
Quote:It would be easy to define a completely new entity that would better fit the world we see around us though, we could make one up who loved misery and was mischievous (in fact many early religions did) We could define a creator god who from the start created using evolution. A god who caused the known universe from existing matter via manipulation, in fact we could add many modifications to our 'god definition' to make it a more likely god than Yahweh. We could even make up a god who caused people to believe in many gods all of them lies including Yahweh. All these better fit the world we see around us.
Go ahead, knock yourself out.
Quote:But such things would be completely meaningless and remain an exercise of the mind unless we could actually prove the god behind the definitions existed, a list of definitions proves only that you have a list of definitions. I guess what we are really asking is what even makes you think your definitions are true ?
So you ask a question about God, I answer. Then your reply is "well, you haven't proven God". You are a discussion genius. I can't match your skills. Unless you say something especially new or interesting, don't expect an answer in the future.
Yes very nice of you, but can you prove your definitions are true ?
I understand that you are frustrated by people asking you to justify you definitions and/or belief in god, I understand the questions are not new. I'm not asking in this instance for you to prove god, I already know from the past few months you cannot do that. I'm asking why you believe your definitions to be rational or true. For instance when god is claimed to bless, curse, make crops grow, bring calamity, make rain and bring drought how are you meant to tell the difference between that and nature happening ?
When people push you on them you claim much is unknowable, and then claim they are being unreasonable in holding back belief in your assertions, for all your lengthy answers you do what many Christians do and fall back on an unknowable, mysterious, unprovable god, you are in effect saying 'god did it' that's what I already believe, and unless you can prove me otherwise then i will continue to believe that.
The reason why Christians are faced with a barrage of 'not new' questions is really simple, they have not given unbelievers sufficient reason to believe their faith in definitions of their god, or god himself resides outside their own mind. If you don't wish to reply to any of my posts further then that's fine, I will certainly continue to comment on yours

'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'