RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 15, 2018 at 12:50 pm
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2018 at 12:56 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(March 14, 2018 at 5:24 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 14, 2018 at 1:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You’re wandering a bit.
The claim is that god is the personal creator of the universe as we know it. If god is real, he is the best explanation for the universe’s existence.
When examining a possible explanation for a particular phenomenon (in this case, god as the cause of the universe), most rational people would think it important to know a few key specifics about this proposed explanation:
1. What is god made of?
2. By what mechanisms did he accomplish this?
3. How can we differentiate between god, and things that are not god?
4. What mechanisms underpin this timeless, changeless, spaceless state?
Your answers to this line of questioning so far have been, ‘category error,’ and ‘not knowable’.
That is some “explanation”, Steve. Further, I don’t understand how you can call the definition of god as, “not needing an explanation”, any kind of definition at all. God is what, then? I’ll-defined by definition? Why would any rational person accept a theory that is unexplainable by definition, as an explanation for real phenomena?
Our definition of God is incomplete. Given the subject matter, I would say that is to be expected.
Yes.
Quote:That you want to draw some conclusion about that is a misguided.
Not at all. Your definition of god barely constitutes a definition at all, and your explanation of his abilities are nothing more than surface level assertions that, by your own admittance, can never be understood. A non-answer that raises further unanswerable questions is no kind of reasonable answer at all.
Quote:You cannot develop any logical problems from this.
The problem is your unjustified gnosticism.
Quote:Actually, not even an inconvenience to the Christian.
Lol, that’s for sure! “We can’t know; it’s supernatural” is extraordinarily convenient for your position. So much that it almost feels contrived...😇
Quote:What you have is your belief that the Bible is true, and personal experience. If that’s enough for you, fine. But you must be able to see how this is not even close to enough for many of us here.
”God-did-it because the Bible says so”, as the explanation for existence is never going to be enough for me.
Quote:God did it because we believe the people who testify to the events.
Right. The Bible.
Quote:The way you think it works is circular reasoning.
You said the exact same thing I just said, but with more words. And yes, I would agree that is circular reasoning. 😏
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Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
