RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm
(March 16, 2018 at 10:29 am)Grandizer Wrote: You say "efficient cause" is necessary because intuition, then I say "material cause" is also necessary because intuition!
Everything that begins to exist must have a material cause.
If the universe began to exist, then it must have had a material cause.
However, if the universe is "all there is", then it could not have had a material cause.
Therefore, the universe did not have a beginning to its existence.
Therefore, the universe is eternal (and necessary).
Therefore, no [logically problematic] Creator God needed.
What was the material cause of Leo Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina or Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony? These things began to exist (along with like 4 trillion other examples I could give).
There are other problems with you list, but let's start there.
