RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 16, 2018 at 2:25 pm
(March 16, 2018 at 1:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: All efficient causes. Of course something material can be an efficient cause!! It is not a material cause because it is made of material!!!!!!!!!
You aren't stoned

(March 16, 2018 at 1:49 pm)SteveII Wrote: AND then there is the fact that the novel and the symphony are not material in any way. So, we have efficient causes having an effect that is not immaterial (not consisting of matter OR energy). Kind of blows up the whole "it's always matter and the flow of energy" argument.
Yay! Welcome to the subject of 'time' and when you have mastered that, you will be ready for 'persistent pattern'.