Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[SteveII]

All efficient causes. Of course something material can be an efficient cause!! It is not a material cause because it is made of material!!!!!!!!!

You aren't  stoned are you?

AND then there is the fact that the novel and the symphony are not material in any way. So, we have efficient causes having an effect that is not immaterial (not consisting of matter OR energy). Kind of blows up the whole "it's always matter and the flow of energy" argument.

Yay! Welcome to the subject of 'time' and when you have mastered that, you will be ready for 'persistent pattern'.

I know words are hard, but you really have to try...

Which of the above concepts are hard for you to understand?

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All efficient causes. Of course something material can be an efficient cause!! It is not a material cause because it is made of material!!!!!!!!!

AND then there is the fact that the novel and the symphony are not material in any way. So, we have efficient causes having an effect that is not immaterial (not consisting of matter OR energy). Kind of blows up the whole "it's always matter and the flow of energy" argument.

Here Here. I remember the last immaterial novel I read, Wrinkle in time.  Granted it was hard what with having no pages are binding but I got through it and stand here as testament.

Fun Fact: Energy is solid, Like butter but fizzier.

I just was Science would break free from its cruel sin-loving masters and start publishing fact.

Fun Fact: A novel and symphony are abstract objects. They are not equivalent to the paper they are written on. If you destroy a book, you do not destroy the story. If you destroy a sheet of music, you do not destroy the symphony. It is not the paper that is compelling, it is not the sheet with notes written upon it that is moving. 

This is basic philosophy.