Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Jenny A]

No, that changes in the form of matter and energy have causes is appaerent.  That matter or energy coming into existence must have a cause is not.  Give me just one example of anything causing matter or energy to be created out of anything but existing matter and energy.

That was a long reply that you answered with 3 sentences. You have simply restated the question the KCA is asking. Which premise are you objecting to? 

I am objecting to the fact that the phrase "begin to exist" is used to describe one kind of change in premise one and another in premise two. Premise one concerns change within the universe. That kind of change involves only the change in form of pre-existing matter and energy. Premise two refers to the creation of matter and energy. We know that changes in the form of matter and energy within the universe requires causes. We do not know if the creation of matter does.

Similarly, while we can postulate about cause and effect within the universe, we cannot postulate from knowledge about the rules of cause and effect (If any) outside the universe. Premises based on cause and effect within the universe cannot be used to describe event outside the universe, as we have no way of knowing if they are true outside of the universe.