RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 9:11 am
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2018 at 9:16 am by RoadRunner79.)
(March 19, 2018 at 9:01 am)Mathilda Wrote:(March 19, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I've seen the same person argue, that things don't need a cause to begin to exists.
Who has said that? Me? I've been arguing that the word 'cause' is linguistic shorthand that religionists use for equivocation. It is a useful abstraction so we don't have to describe the all the relevant features of the environment. The KCA only works for people who don't realise this and who seem to think that everything begins to exist because of a single cause and while forgetting about the time between not existing and existing.
I don't see anyone arguing any of that.
Quote:For example:
What causes a snowflake to exist?
You mean they don't just poof into being without cause?
(March 19, 2018 at 9:08 am)Grandizer Wrote:(March 19, 2018 at 8:39 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I've seen the same person argue, that things don't need a cause to begin to exists.
You mean Steve, right? Steve doesn't believe that [material] things that begin to exist demand a material cause.
And you think that is the same thing?
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
