RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 19, 2018 at 3:37 pm
(March 19, 2018 at 12:18 pm)SteveII Wrote: For reference, the KCA:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Fallacious.
It fails with a affirming the consequent fallacy at the first premise.
Here's why:
Premise 1 makes the distinction between things that 'begin to exist', and things that 'don't begin to exist'. That is defining 2 sets, the set with everything that begins to exist, and the set of things that don't begin to exist.
If the only thing that you believe is in the set of things that don't begin to exist, is your god, then you are smuggling in your conclusion in the first premise.
KCA also has an equivocation fallacy in the 2nd premise. But since it fails on the 1st, there is no reason to continue.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
