RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 20, 2018 at 10:22 am
RoadRunner79 Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:Um, snowflakes don't begin to exist. They are a re-arrangement of existing matter. If the sense in which you're using 'begin to exist' includes snowflakes forming, then it includes our universe transforming from a previous state of existence.
Is there a reason that it cannot be both?
I would disagree, and say that there is a point, where a snowflake begins to exist. To clarify if you have a prior point with no snowflakes, and a later point, where you have at least one snowflake then the snowflake had a beginning. By your same logic, then you could say that you existed 2 million years ago.
I used to have a link, of an atheists website, which was taking on some common bad arguments against the KCA. One of the topics, was what was meant by beginning, and the author had a number of links to older explanations by WLC of what he meant. Within this, is the idea of change; a change in description to be exact. A change from !A to A. It wasn't spelled out specifically, but I would carry this on even to include such things Newtons first law of motion. If we have a description of something, the movement (or resting state) of that object is part of that description. Any change in the motion of that object, requires a cause or an explanation for this change in description.
Do you think 'everything that changes, has a cause' would a fair restatement of the first premise of the KCA?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.