Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[GrandizerII]

(You could of course argue that the universe is made up of pre-existing matter.  But if you go that way, then you will have to add all existing matter to the set of things that did not begin to exist in which case under your formulation, matter being eternal  would not need a cause.)

I wouldn't go that way.

Of course you wouldn't. Even when common experience seems to confirm the truth of the premise that all [material] things that begin to exist must have a material cause, common experience (or intuition) suddenly isn't so important to you after all. It only matters to you when it serves the premise that you desperately need to be true. Ever asked yourself why that is?