Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[LadyForCamus]

Um, snowflakes don't begin to exist. They are a re-arrangement of existing matter. If the sense in which you're using 'begin to exist' includes snowflakes forming, then it includes our universe transforming from a previous state of existence.

I think it's fair to say that a definition of an object can become apparent, in other words there is a point where you would say the water formed into what we would call a snowflake.  It's a definition that's realised rather than matter becoming to exist.

Yep.  The point at which our brains can recognize an object as it’s defined, like a snowflake, is probably the most coherent concept of ‘beginning to exist’ that humans can come up with.  But, it doesn’t follow that our ability to define and recognize objects necessitates that all objects must have an objective, singular cause.