RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 25, 2018 at 7:57 am
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2018 at 8:05 am by LadyForCamus.)
(March 25, 2018 at 5:23 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 24, 2018 at 10:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It seems that you appeal to a number of things as causes in this. As well, you by nothing (like L. Krauss) you seem to mean something rather than no thing. Where I would quibble, is that I do not believe that the laws of physics is a thing in and of it self. It is a description for the logical way in which things behave (Note: not nothing... well perhaps for some people).
I'm going to need more than a claim, to drop the belief in causality. I'm not willing to just take it on faith, because as we can see, there is some equivocating which is sometimes taken advantage of. Personally, I need a testimony of what was done, what was observed, and then specifics as to how it is determined to be without cause. For some skeptics I have heard, even the testimony of others would not be enough for such an extraordinary claim. Some may not believe, if they saw it themselves. The problem I have, is that this is the type of claim, that involves more than simple observation.
You alleged "god" is supposedly a sentient thing with powers, where did it come from and how did it acquire the powers and the stuff and time make the universe? Where did it exist before it did all that?
Positing a god only adds questions that I have never seen any theist even try to answer.
Oh, all those things are category errors; hence unknowable, remember? Except for when we’re arguing the KCA, that is. 😏
(March 25, 2018 at 7:54 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: By a show of hands, if I said that an elephant suddenly appeared in my back yard (like poof) without reason. How many would consider that plausible?
*sigh*
It’s like the last 15 pages never happened and we have to start all over. I imagine this is why atheists get bored with debating after a while.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.