RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 25, 2018 at 9:00 am
(This post was last modified: March 25, 2018 at 9:05 am by RoadRunner79.)
(March 25, 2018 at 8:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Please explain HOW god did all the things you assign him. What was the process and where is your evidence in support of it?
Because without any of that stuff it is just unsupported speculation.
(March 25, 2018 at 8:11 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Similarly, God's power would not be something which is traditionally understood to be acquired. So to ask how it was acquired would be a non-sense question.
Well that is a non-answer of previously unheard of magnitude.
Quote:Also, while the idea of God may invoke a number of questions, and we may not have answers for all of them; the KCA is making specific claims, of which it is saying that the classically understood God of theism best fits as an explanation to those attributes.
But they explain nothing and beg more questions than they are supposed to answer. It is easier to say the universe was created by some at present unknown natural event than to posit an intelligent agency that exists out side of every known aspect of the universe.
There are some philosophical reasoning, that there must be a necessary prime mover. These things also follow from what the Jewish/Christian God has said about himself (a long long time ago). Are you not familiar with Christianity? You seem to act like these are some ad hoc explanation?
As to being a non-answer. I don't know how else to explain it. If there was no beginning, then it doesn't make sense to ask about a beginning which never occurred.
As to your claim, if the only difference that you are positing is that one is an unknown natural event, and the other is an intelligence, then that doesn't get around your objections either. Also, why do you say that it is easier?
(March 25, 2018 at 8:45 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: RoadRunner, you have a problem with your argument. Kalam supports any deity of choice. Yahweh, Allah, Odin whatever. You have no option but to accept that gods which are not yours must also exist.
I agree.... It is a general argument which doesn't point you to any particular history or religion. However it doesn't follow then, that you must accept all God's or gods that fit that description (I don't believe Odin does fit). It's not necessary that all are required, so why multiply beyond necessity.
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