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Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
(March 25, 2018 at 7:54 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It may be noted, that Grandizers theory is testable.  If I am trying to avoid discussion, then all one would have to do, is present questions or arguments concerning either to what I had said or present an case for what you think is more compelling.  If he is correct, and I want to avoid logical and coherent objections, then it would follow that I would continue to do so.  I will note , that mere disagreement is not avoidance.  If however I don't have issue with interacting with other ideas, then it would seem that the seemingly self serving hypothesis  would be false.

I do avoid some topics.  I try to avoid topics that are largely subjective or a matter of opinion.  I may avoid a topic, because I don't think the person will contribute anything of value or has a history of just attacking the person or name calling; rather than thoughtful discussion.  However this is a topic I like. 

By a show of hands, if I said that an elephant suddenly appeared in my back yard (like poof)  without reason.  How many would consider that plausible?

Very few.

Now, why does that not happen? Because of the size of Planck's constant. It is a small enough number, and it controls the rate of 'popping' in such a way that larger masses are less likely (exponentially) to 'pop' than are smaller masses.

So, for example, electron-positron pairs are far more likely than muon-anti-muon pairs simply because a muon is around 200 times the mass of an electron. Both types of 'popping' are still pretty common, though. When you get to something the mass of a proton, the probability (and thereby the rate) of 'popping into existence' is far, far lower. For larger atomic nuclei, the probability is so low, it doesn't tend to happen in practice. For something like a molecule, we would have to wait longer than the age of the universe for a 'pop' to happen.

So, you wanted to know why we don't see an elephant 'pop into existence'. That is the reason: elephants have way too large of a mass to make the probability of 'popping' significant.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic - by polymath257 - March 25, 2018 at 9:09 am

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