RE: Berkeley's argument for the existence of God
March 29, 2018 at 3:12 pm
(This post was last modified: March 29, 2018 at 3:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 29, 2018 at 3:10 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: @KhemQualia would also be a signal (or a discrete or distributed region)...you can whisper it or shout it but they would be included in any measurement if they existed.
So, yeah, you have a system of firing neurons which cause the idea. If you are going to call those neurons (or the energy flowing through them) the idea, then, yes, then the idea takes up space and has mass. But even biological naturalists might disagree with the notion that the neurons are the actual idea. I don't want to say the word "qualia" too loudly because of recent controversies, but yeah... *whispers* qualia.
Quote:I think Berkeley's philosophy can be understood apart from neuroscience, regardless. Obviously he didn't know anything about it because neuroscience wasn't even a thing in his time. But he does have a point about ideas. All we ever know are ideas, and we never really "experience" material things. I'm pretty sure it's too airy fairy for you to take seriously, but he does have a point.Berkley may not have known better, but we do. It's not our fault he based his house of cards on ignorance. I -did- give him a mulligan for one he got right-ish by accident, too, didn't I? I was being very generous, lol. I understand it just fine, but who cares? I understand a great many things that aren't true.
I agree that all we ever experience (directly, at least) are ideas. As a rejoinder..however, you are silently importing the idea that ideas are other than material...or else it;s not a point or objection..and..again, for reference..we now know that;s not true, lol.
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