RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm
(March 30, 2018 at 2:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 2:45 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: 1. Everything which begins to exist has a cause.
Go ahead and prove that. Take your time.
There has been a lot of talk about that in this thread. If it is false, then the the logic would not follow. However it is more reasonable to believe that this is true; rather than the opposite. I find that many atheists scoff at, and make claims about much less, but things poofing into existence without cause or reason seems to be readily accepted. I find that for some, it all depends on which side of the argument God is on.
Everything that begins to exist must have a [material] cause. Material cause is sufficient cause. This is far more reasonable than saying that something can be made from nothing. And if you're going to argue that "material cause is sufficient cause" is arbitrary, so is "efficient cause is sufficient cause". People who continue to defend the KCA to this day, despite the logic and science, are doing nothing more but play word games. They're not doing proper logic.